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so who here has ever had to give in a

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presentation a conference show of hands

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we should get yep good showing Hugh here

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has ever had to teach a class be a TA or

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write a broader impact section for a

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grant alright so we we know that

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communication is an important part of

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being a scientist and that's why we made

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it the theme of this year's conference

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communication on all levels so today we

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want to build skills for communicating

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to both a scientific audience and a non

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specialist audience and to help us with

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this we have two talks the first talk

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will be by Clark Johnson Clark is the P

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I for the Wisconsin astrobiology

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Research Consortium

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he's a Vilas distinguished professor and

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his most recent recognition in teaching

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was the annual excellence in Graduate

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teaching award for a seminar on

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scientific presentations Brooke will be

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our second speaker today Brooke Norton

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and she's going to be focusing on

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communicating to a non specialist

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audience Brooke is the assistant

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director of the uw-madison geology

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Museum and she is the head outreach

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specialist for this year's or this most

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recent canned cycle from the NAI for

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here at uw-madison so without further

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ado if oh well and just a second

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we'll pass it off to Clark yes so we're

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gonna head over to the Memorial Union

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Terrace and it's really important that

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everyone get there for five o'clock

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because there can be hundreds of people

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important that you have somewhere to sit

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please make sure that you wear either

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your t-shirt or the ask an

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astrobiologist button and it should be a

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it's in your program and it's listed as

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the movie nights so every Monday in

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Madison we have a film showing outside

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on the terrace out by the lakes you can

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Monday and we're making a connection to

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the rover curiosity so saying you know

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there is more than one lonely Rover out

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there there's curiosity as well so we'll

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hope to see you there at five o'clock so

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I'll pass it off to Clark now I'll use

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this alright great well welcome good

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good meeting so far uh so Brandt asked

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me to just spend a few minutes going

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over some tips and tricks on

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presentations and posters I usually do a

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spring short seminar for for students

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mechanics of putting together your

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presentations and some things to look

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for and I'm going to talk a little bit

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about posters at the end so I've broken

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first thing you want to remember is as

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humans were wired to recognize certain

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graphical components and your job is to

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not violate those so if you throw off

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how complicated it is and yet you're

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short normal talk so just a couple of

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nuts and bolts about controlling where

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your audience looks and so let's start

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the back you could make presentations

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like this but it's gonna throw people

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this one your eyes probably went to this

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lighter one because it's light and it's

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blurred right far away not as sharp as

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shadows I'm a big fan of drop shadows

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well right this one kind of has a shadow

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inverted right the shadows lighter than

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the front most of you probably like this

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one right so keep that in mind keep what

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we're hardwired to do you don't want to

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about this one relative placement now

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not everybody works this way take a

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little poll sometimes but most people

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because it is a reddish warmer color in

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front of a cooler one right red is

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attention although you could over blow

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it right if I made this fully saturated

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red your eyes would start to go crazy

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students is make your own theme yeah we

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can use these that I have no idea who

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group or whatever and you can get all

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your own style and what do you start

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crossed pollard image of a pretty tight

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don't worry about it so I could use that

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a nice background and keep that

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background through everything

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bit I can make it darker and I could

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colors but not going crazy with the

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fonts right just because you have 500

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fonts on the computer it doesn't mean

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you need to use them all one or two

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everything so those are the two same two

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fonts just slightly different colors and

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students to do is put your

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acknowledgments and collaborators up

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front most people put them at the end

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opinion get it all up front out of the

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way whoever gave you all the money

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that NASA gave you money and NSF gave

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you money if they put their logo on the

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media are completely different than a

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default spacing please at least indent

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the bullets and those are the points

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start but that's an awful lot of

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material at one time right so step

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to do it so why did I leave this text up

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here but I graded I didn't want to

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disorient you I wanted to give you a

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reference frame and your brain is always

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starting point and an anchor and then

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this group but that's okay

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shown up there and a lot of text and I

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different color these guys and then I

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add in some other bars and talk about

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tectonic implications and move along in

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a much clearer way I can get through

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that data rich slide it takes a little

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more time to make four or five different

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animations but I just layer them as

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different slides and then they will

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transport across lots of platforms

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there because believe you me there's

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nothing worse than seeing your cherished

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presentation get butchered by some

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server or something like that keep it

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going to go to that yet now I got to put

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a red mark around here and then I can

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use that extra space to put a point

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there it's important that you realize

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that everyone can read faster than you

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can speak so try not to read your points

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keep them short and just say we're just

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gonna go through a transition here that

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the iron goes down and the carbon

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isotopes change and you don't have to

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say every word on there because everyone

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can read faster than you can speak but

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you can step through now we're gonna add

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a little bit of carbon isotope data or

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oxygen isotope data and you can say

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there's another transition or change in

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Delta o-18 values you can say okay now

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we're gonna talk about some sulfur

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isotope data and then you can plop up

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another little guy up here and then you

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can add some more data another

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transition now we're talking about some

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iron isotope data and finally we've got

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some strontium isotope data and then you

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can leave everything up and start

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putting some bulleted things and you can

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continue that and then you can basically

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conclude okay so you can step through a

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lot but you have to break it out into

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chunks and you don't want to change all

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of the graphical input in other words

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the background state on the same so your

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eye when you saw each change that okay

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it's the same I don't have to worry

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about

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okay that's same I'll have to worry

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about that that's how your brain is

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thinking so those those kind of

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transitions and little helps can allow

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you to force a lot of material into a

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short talk but still get allow people to

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get something out of okay how about a

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very long talk if you give a very long

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talk you may want to break it out into

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color-coded sections so here's a long

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this is this is kind of an abstract of a

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of an hour-long talk and it's got three

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points I chose my orientation side that

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I cut coming back to in this one I kind

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of made it neutral in the background

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because I want to focus everything that

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is yellow green or blue

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so here might be something in the early

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sections and then I come back and I say

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now we're gonna talk about these bio

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signature things and then we might have

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a lot of green backgrounds for example

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and then I always come back to the exact

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same slide you recognize it and now we

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have some ancient rock record stuff so

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there are ways your goal is to keep your

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audience oriented okay the last few

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seconds and we have time probably to

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just chat a little bit afterwards

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because I wanted to give time for

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discussion let's talk about posters so

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posters a little bit different a talk

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the person's decided to come to your

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talk you've got them your goal is to

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make sure they understand something when

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they leave the poster is different

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you've got to capture somebody's

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attention out of all the other posters

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and you've all been to meetings I'm sure

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where there's hundreds of posters so how

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do you capture someone's attention and

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okay so I just showed a few examples of

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posters that have just happened to be

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hanging around week's hall and what are

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the essential things well if I'm looking

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for a poster I've got to find the title

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and the names of the places right you

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know it might be by the author or it

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might have a poster number so this isn't

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too bad this has got a big title and I

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can read those other people's names

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ah it's pretty good in terms of myself

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around it doesn't have any conclusions

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always say what your conclusions are and

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where you want to go next

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that's important it does have the

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abstract oh I see that a lot and I think

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people put the abstract on the poster

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because when you're making it on the

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computer screen

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you feel like you did something right

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you took from the you took the word file

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that just submitted the abstract and oh

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I'm gonna cut and paste on putting the

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abstract I've started cool it's a waste

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of space right it's very common thing to

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do but in general it's either in the

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program someone's found it by looking at

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it I discourage people from putting in

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abstracts what I would have rather seen

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as no abstract but some future

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directions you know this one I just kind

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of end with some plot and it's kind of

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like oh okay now what uh here's another

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one I can read the title by looking if

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the program is oriented by author I

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gotta be able to see y'all got the app

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set of course everybody likes do the

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abstract

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how about flow well this one's pretty

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clear right I go down over you don't

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have to reading this so my point is just

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look at the graphics another down up

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okay whoo boy that's a lot he'll come

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down too

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your audience clear directions don't

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where to go yes

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Roman numerals or numbers with boxes of

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slightly different colors great don't

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make them try to figure it out and

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there's no conclusion no discussion

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there future directions

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how about this one okay yeah I can see

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that hello I can't see the people's

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names that's gonna be tough look at how

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much real estate is on the abstract when

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at the expense of the names look for

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something that's balanced

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how about flow okay I'm gonna start at

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the abstract there some people want to

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go write down others will want to go

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that way if I go over that way oh now

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what do I do I go down to this level or

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gonna go over there

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oh I'm confused I don't know how to read

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through it okay so the number one thing

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that I would suggest to you about

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posters is it is the opposite of what

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you think they are content is last not

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first your goal is to capture new people

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that could just as easily keep walking

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by and you want them to stop so start

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with the graphical elements and add the

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content later rather than starting with

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the content okay which is how most

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people do and the basic divisions are

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just shown here title area make sure the

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title your names if there's like a

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poster ID number some meetings do that

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make sure that's absolutely clear put

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your acknowledgments who funded you just

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put the little you know symbols things

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like that you don't have to go into gory

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detail that can all go up here and then

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the bulk of the poster goes there start

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with a template in Illustrator or

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whatever you like make the template and

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you brutally stick to it make the

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graphics first so here would be those

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components right titles most important

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use some drop shadow set it aside with

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some colors don't use things to garishly

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and then here's a simple template it's

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in kind of a vertical and left-to-right

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so you start here you work down this is

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all blue got a big line there this is

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all green and then this is kind of

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purple so add it all in your

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affiliations the names I can see that

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that's separately the title and yeah you

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could put funding and acknowledgments

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over there if you wanted then start

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adding

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ah this one I always ask my students to

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do tell me why you did the study

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motivation and research much more useful

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than an abstract that's already

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published somewhere else then put some

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background right okay where am I going

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what am I looking at put in some new

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results some data clearly label the

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figures and then some model some

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implications and then future directions

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where do you want to go everyone knows

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that you guys are students and early

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career people your goal is to interact

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with people give something for someone

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to talk about or maybe suggest something

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make some connections okay so in a brief

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kind of quick overview there I hope that

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gives you a few little pointers on both

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the talks and what you might do for

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posters and happy to have a little

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discussion if you want that's fantastic

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thanks that was really helpful what is

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your opinion about the amount of text in

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posters there are long conflicting views

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many people say the best poster is the

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one with the least amount of text but

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that may not be you may not be able to

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convey your message so what's what are

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your thoughts on a knot so I left out a

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slide that I sometimes given the big

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title that says I did not come here to

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read a novel and so that'll tell you my

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bias which is minimal text and if I see

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something and I and it's a bunch of text

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it could be the coolest thing I wanted

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to see I'll keep walking

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that's me personally but that's why you

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were there at the poster session to talk

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with people so again you're competing in

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a big meeting with a lot of stuff and so

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all right four slides I know some people

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that are very very adamant about black

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on white because it's more readable is

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that true and is that a bigger factor

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than the eye-catching

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miss well i started with this title

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slide as a as a on purpose because i

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thought it was rather bland

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it was pretty readable my own personal

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opinion is I liked the colored ones with

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some nice colors I think that is more

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memorable but sure this is the basics if

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okay actually a comment I've seen

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someone so I heard once that like yellow

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text on blue background looks the best

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and I was at a talk recently where

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someone did that and it was so hard to

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read like I know that like if it's right

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yellow on the bright blue kind of like

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the it was it was really hard to read

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and so it didn't look so good I know

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that like you can kind of make that work

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but but that was that was pretty bad I'd

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also like to mention font size yeah I

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don't know if you have specifics on font

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size but in general I've noticed that

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when I can't read whether it's on a

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PowerPoint or like a talk or if it's on

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a poster you know I'll try clean my

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glasses once but you know if I still

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can't read then I won't even bother

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trying cuz it hurts so these are all big

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fonts and you have a choice in

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typography of using serif or sans serif

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sans serif means you don't have all the

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little don't use the cutesies use very

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simple sans-serif fonts things that and

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also the default when you start typing

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is not a bold font i virtually bold

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everything so readability is really

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okay how to make sure people who are

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colorblind can still read your different

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types of colors oh that's a good

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question

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so you can go on the web and there are

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tests that show the graphics for

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colorblindness and so it would be like a

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pale pink over a pale green where most

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people don't have it so you would avoid

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those spectrums so you could find those

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little graphics on the web and then keep

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them on your monitor also Photoshop has

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a number of settings that you can test

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for various types of colorblindness yeah

545
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it's an it's in one of the view modes

546
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guys but generally avoid the pale pinks

547
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and the pale greens we have time if

548
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there's any other questions all right

549
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:58,570
Graham yeah thanks for that very much I

550
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had a class in my undergrad where we

551
00:25:03,539 --> 00:25:01,899
talked about making presentations and I

552
00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:03,549
took it to heart years ago and I stick

553
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:05,830
by it trying to to use ways to maximize

554
00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:09,010
my impact in my talks well not you know

555
00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:10,870
being too much of a burden for the

556
00:25:16,289 --> 00:25:12,700
audience to try to read through text and

557
00:25:18,269 --> 00:25:16,299
have a hard time but even with the best

558
00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:18,279
presentation the best slides on the

559
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planet if the presenter can't actually

560
00:25:25,919 --> 00:25:23,289
present it well it won't matter and so

561
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:25,929
one of my biggest pet peeves I have at

562
00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:28,450
conferences and anything I go to is when

563
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the presenter kind of stares at the

564
00:25:34,049 --> 00:25:32,559
slide the whole time and the audience

565
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:34,059
might be over here doing something I

566
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:35,200
don't really know because I'm not

567
00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:36,850
watching them right now my slide says

568
00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:38,020
some words so I'll read those words

569
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,260
exactly I really don't like when people

570
00:25:45,060 --> 00:25:43,600
do that and I'm not sure what the best

571
00:25:46,980 --> 00:25:45,070
way is to fix that kind of behavior

572
00:25:48,690 --> 00:25:46,990
because even a great presentation won't

573
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:48,700
do that right and so I'm wondering what

574
00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:51,580
your practice and so people do that when

575
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:54,390
they're nervous and when you're starting

576
00:26:00,779 --> 00:25:57,000
do not feel bad about being nervous

577
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:00,789
don't apologize for that we've all been

578
00:26:06,450 --> 00:26:03,730
in your position and remember that right

579
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:06,460
even the most famous scientists in the

580
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:09,010
front row was once a stupid

581
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:10,450
undergraduate didn't know what the heck

582
00:26:15,270 --> 00:26:13,510
they were doing okay no it's true and so

583
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:15,280
don't apologize for that and it comes

584
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:17,810
with practice so as you get more

585
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just you realize like you said your

586
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:21,500
audience is out there you should refer

587
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to things you're scared to death of

588
00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:27,530
worrying about not remembering what

589
00:26:31,930 --> 00:26:29,720
you're supposed to say right and I hate

590
00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:31,940
to say it but I hate note cards you know

591
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:34,040
people use those maybe to practice in

592
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,330
front of your roommate or something is

593
00:26:41,650 --> 00:26:38,240
okay but but don't use note cards in a

594
00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:41,660
in a in a talk because if you lose the

595
00:26:45,460 --> 00:26:43,550
note cards or you lose your place

596
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:45,470
in 12 minutes it's all gonna

597
00:26:50,590 --> 00:26:48,350
self-destruct so it just takes practice

598
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:50,600
and don't feel bad for being nervous we

599
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:54,410
if someone if it's not often times

600
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,240
you're nervous about you know some

601
00:27:00,790 --> 00:26:58,640
senior person out there right that CEO

602
00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:00,800
might hammer you and something that what

603
00:27:05,050 --> 00:27:02,750
I tell my students is if some senior

604
00:27:08,830 --> 00:27:05,060
person hammers you for something and

605
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:08,840
you're a student bad on them right okay

606
00:27:12,430 --> 00:27:11,330
if you screwed up the science hopefully

607
00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:12,440
you're not doing that because that's

608
00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:14,180
between you and your advisor before you

609
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:16,520
get to the meeting so if that's put

610
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:18,380
aside and taken care of so that's not

611
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:20,510
screwed up then if the presentation is

612
00:27:25,390 --> 00:27:22,910
just nervous well I think it reflects

613
00:27:27,010 --> 00:27:25,400
badly on the person that might be going

614
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:27,020
after the students students should be

615
00:27:32,260 --> 00:27:29,930
off-limits to most of us in terms of

616
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:32,270
going after you for that because we all

617
00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:34,250
know that it takes time to get

618
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:37,720
comfortable that's wonderful thank you I

619
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:44,590
already have a mic I guess a question

620
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:48,050
regarding people being nervous a hint

621
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:49,610
that I was told that actually helped me

622
00:27:54,010 --> 00:27:52,250
quite a bit was that when we were first

623
00:27:55,540 --> 00:27:54,020
starting out your your impetus is just

624
00:27:56,910 --> 00:27:55,550
to memorize the script for the whole

625
00:28:00,040 --> 00:27:56,920
thing which is terrible you give really

626
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:00,050
horribly unnatural sounding talks but if

627
00:28:05,530 --> 00:28:03,770
you memorize the first 30 seconds then

628
00:28:06,790 --> 00:28:05,540
you're not nervous because you know

629
00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:06,800
exactly what you're gonna say and pass

630
00:28:10,450 --> 00:28:08,870
that you seem to get into the flow of it

631
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:10,460
and you're talking more naturally and I

632
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:11,510
was wondering whether or not you think

633
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:15,320
this is a good technique or it's

634
00:28:19,780 --> 00:28:17,210
beginning that's the hardest and once

635
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:19,790
you get in the flow chances are then

636
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:22,910
then your own enthusiasm for why you're

637
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,530
doing this in the first place will come

638
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:26,570
out don't feel bad about being

639
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:28,130
enthusiastic everyone loves to say

640
00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:29,900
someone and I just got these data asking

641
00:28:33,220 --> 00:28:30,620
you you know

642
00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:33,230
they're really cool what's gonna not

643
00:28:37,690 --> 00:28:35,990
want to hear that so don't don't feel so

644
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:37,700
stilted that you can't let that come

645
00:28:44,529 --> 00:28:40,490
through this hardest part is starting

646
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:44,539
yeah I would add to that that I think

647
00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:46,250
it's more important to remember the key

648
00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:48,590
points you want to get across on a slide

649
00:28:52,299 --> 00:28:50,630
and just remember that like you can

650
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:52,309
share it in different ways you can say

651
00:28:56,049 --> 00:28:53,510
it in different ways but if you remember

652
00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:56,059
the key point of the slide why it's in

653
00:28:59,769 --> 00:28:57,470
there and what the message is I think

654
00:29:02,919 --> 00:28:59,779
that's more important than remembering

655
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:02,929
exactly how you want to explain it and I

656
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:05,090
have AK one more question which is what

657
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:07,340
is your feeling on titles on slides

658
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:10,159
because I know I'm i did the geobiology

659
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:11,770
summer school and Frank Crosetti

660
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:14,330
strongly does not believe in titles if

661
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,230
he doesn't think they're absolutely

662
00:29:20,289 --> 00:29:17,360
necessary he thinks there's a there

663
00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:20,299
waste of space in some cases and I have

664
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:22,070
mixed feelings about that depending on

665
00:29:37,149 --> 00:29:35,270
what kind of slide it is the main points

666
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:37,159
I'm a big fan of stepping through these

667
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:39,289
little boxes because they help jog your

668
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:41,330
memory if you're worrying about it about

669
00:29:46,659 --> 00:29:43,460
remembering it and it actually shows

670
00:29:56,139 --> 00:29:46,669
someone the points but don't read them

671
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,149
verbatim facing the screen yeah okay as

672
00:30:01,360 --> 00:29:58,880
far as titles go some another piece of

673
00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:01,370
advice I got which run past you is that

674
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,500
always be careful about the top and the

675
00:30:07,690 --> 00:30:04,880
bottom of your slides because it can get

676
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:07,700
cut off on projectors but that makes it

677
00:30:11,889 --> 00:30:09,710
the perfect place to put a thin sliver

678
00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:11,899
for a title and at the bottom you can

679
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:14,000
have your slide number or references or

680
00:30:17,019 --> 00:30:15,440
the things that is not the end of the

681
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:17,029
world if you get cut off but it's not

682
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taking up the space that you wouldn't

683
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:21,020
use anyways I do that I don't know if

684
00:30:24,370 --> 00:30:22,730
it's a good idea or a bad idea but it

685
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:24,380
gives you a place for a title at the

686
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:27,710
very least it is true that sometimes you

687
00:30:32,889 --> 00:30:29,570
know when you resync with a different

688
00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:32,899
you know footprint of your monitor

689
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:34,909
versus your screen you can cut stuff off

690
00:30:39,159 --> 00:30:37,370
so I would not go too close although

691
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:39,169
this one violates that oh no it's a

692
00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:41,120
mother right there but it violates it on

693
00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:42,230
the left and

694
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:46,040
right what about a slight number of or

695
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:48,500
progression markers for example for

696
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:49,850
conferences we have multiple sessions

697
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:52,190
and people come in out of rooms and

698
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:53,840
someone is in the middle to talk you

699
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,280
cannot want to know you know who that is

700
00:30:58,990 --> 00:30:57,919
how far they so you know what to do when

701
00:31:01,570 --> 00:30:59,000
catching up in there

702
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:01,580
I find that distracting if the if the

703
00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:03,770
audience can't get to your talk on time

704
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:07,929
then that's not your problem seriously